Thursday, May 17, 2007

MOUSEGUNS AGAIN

WELCOME TO THE NO BS ZONE OF TEDDY JACOBSON

UPDATED 5-19-07

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I AM GOING TO WRITE AND PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MOUSE GUNS. THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND I FORGOT MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE KNOW. THIS IS A DISCLAIMER AS TO MY OPINIONS AND MY COMMENTS. THE MORE THEY MENTION MY NAME ON THE NAA MESSAGE BOARD THE MORE TRUTH I WILL SHARE WITH YOU. I DO LIKE THE NAA MINI REVOLVERS, I ALWAYS HAVE BUT I CAN NOT RECOMMEND THE NAA GUARDIAN AT THIS TIME. THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT ITS FAILURES BUT DID NOTHING FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY WANTED "SALES" AND NOW THEY HAVE LITTLE OR NONE TO SELL BECAUSE OF THEIR REDESIGN PROJECT AND IT STILL IS QUESTIONABLE IN MY MIND IF THEY WILL DO WHATS RIGHT.

IF YOU WANT A SMALL MOUSE GUN TO CARRY AS A SECOND OR THIRD BACK UP GUN YOU CAN SAFELY BUY A KEL-TEC OR A TOMCAT OR A NAA MINI REVOLVER IN 22 MAGNUM. DO NOT BECOME AN EXPERIMENT FOR SOME BS STORY ABOUT A REDESIGN, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. A GUN SHOULD BE ON THE MARKET FOR 2 YEARS BEFORE YOU BUY ANY NEW MODEL TO SEE ITS PROS AND CONS.

WHAT ABOUT THE POOR SCHMUCKS THAT ARE STUCK WITH THE OLD DESIGN THAT JAMS BECAUSE OF INITIAL DEFECTS AND PISS POOR SPRINGS. WILL THESE PEOPLE BE COMPENSATED, OR WILL THEY HAVE A BUY BACK OR TRADE UP PROGRAM AT MINIMUM COST TO THE GUN OWNER. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR LIFE. GUNS ARE TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY AND THESE MOUSE GUNS AS A RULE HAVE A LIFE EXPECTENCY OF SO MANY ROUNDS.

SIGHTS - YOU DO NOT NEED NIGHT SIGHTS ON A MOUSE GUN THAT IS INTENDED FOR UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL SURVIVAL LIKE TWO OR THREE FEET. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT I AM SAYING THEN GET THE HELL OFF MY SITE AND GO BACK TO YOUR FANTASY WORLD OF BS AND NONSENSE. I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU BY TAKING THE HEAT TO TELL THE TRUTH AS VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL AT THIS TIME. ITS ALL ABOUT "BENJAMIN FRANKLIN"...

I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT ANYTHING. DO NOT BELIEVE HALF THE BS ON THESE PUBLIC WEBSITES AS THEY ALL HAVE AN AGENDA. TALK TO SOME ONE LIKE ME THAT REALLY IS SUPER HONEST AND HAS SEEN AND WORKED ON THE INTERNALS OF A HANDGUN. THESE PEOPLE THAT POST ARE JUST LOOKING FOR THEIR 10 MINUTES OF FAME IN A FANTASY WORLD.

WHEN PEOPLE BS ME OR LIE TO ME ONE TIME I CUT THEM OUT OF MY LIFE FOREVER. THIS IS TRUE, THOSE THAT PLAY IT STRAIGHT WITH ME HAVE A TRUSTED FRIEND. ITS THAT SIMPLE.

The very best way to have a fixed barrel attached to a frame is like the design of the Makarov. This way if the chamber and or the rifling is bad you can just replace the fixed barrel. Having a barrel cast with the frame is a big mistake. This is again my honest opinion. In the case of the GUARDIAN if the barrel is bad you must also replace the frame as it is a one piece casting. In my opinion this is nothing I would ever do. The Russian designer of the MAKAROV was a "GENIUS"...


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The P32 is the BEST .32cal pistol!!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it's Flyer to the defense... of the Beretta!
The Tomcat is NO POS. Heavy and bulky, yup. Beautifully made and reliable, yup!
It's the truth... the Beretta isn't supposed to have an extractor. It doesn't NEED one. Once the slide's back, there's no ejection port to toss the case through... just wide blue sky above. The case forcing the slide to the rear provides plenty of force for the ejector to knock it out of the way.
And, since the Beretta has the tilting barrel, there's no need for an extractor to un-chamber a round, either... just let the barrel up and dump it into your hand!
In the case of a pistol having a full slide unlike the Beretta, it's lack of an ejector IS a BAD idea.
I'd say the two pistols serve slightly different roles.
The Beretta is easier to use for women particularly, since it can be loaded/unloaded without need for physical strength, i.e., racking the slide. It's got more gripping area, and makes a nice 'house' mousegun.
For CCW, there's no question... the P-32 is the best choice. Nothing is as flat or as light.
But, I don't consider the Beretta a bad gun at all... in fact, if I DID, I'd be a total jackass for giving my mother a Titanium one with a front night sight for her bedroom nightstand!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: Aha! By Jove! Reply with quote

Ole Flyer knows his stuff! I conseede on the Beretta. Never fired one, only looked it over, so really can't say. But the short barrel length does concern me as far as hollowpoint expansion goes. We didn't get too gooda results with the P32 a few years ago with JHP's in the wetpack test so a shorter barrel isn't gonna help. And remember Goldenloki's data kinda said the same thing with gelatin. http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
But maybe CorBon's hot stuff (I hate it) might still expand in the Beretta since it did pretty good in the P32, as I remember.
But then, I think we all agreed a long time ago that FMJ's were the best way to go in .32cal short barrels, like the P32, anyway.

Here is one of the finest web pages anywhere on .32acp JHP expansion......

http://stevespages.com/page8f32acp.html

He has a excellent table down the page for the P32 with factory loadings. Best I've ever seen.
Later, when I get time, I'm going to try and duplicate Ricciardelli's water jug test with the P32 and Win Silvertip ammo. His tests were all with the longer barrel Walther so it'll be interesting to see what happens with a P32. Only drawback is the jugs are only good for one shot. Hard to draw a statistic with only one data point! We'll see.

In the meantime, thanks, Flyer, for all you do.

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: Reply with quote

what Flyer said ^^

The Tomcat is a great little gun. Better in a purse than a pocket with that thick little grip, but I'm sure not ashamed to carry it when in the woods. The P-32 is a much better concealment gun, at a cheaper price, but it's not exactly a sweetheart to shoot. In fact we bought a P-32 for my Mom to carry concealed; only had it for a day or two until she fired it, and then we traded it in on the Beretta. I do wish it had a slide lock though, but with its system of recoil springs in the grips, I don't think one would fit in there without adding even more thickness.

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Beretta Tomcat .32
by Gary G. Nass

Let me begin by saying that I fully expected some kind of malfunction with the gun. After all, it is a brand new pistol that has already suffered a recall because of serious failure to feed problems. But now, two months later, and after the forth delay, the Tomcat is out. I fired 50 rounds of Winchester 71 gr. FMJ and 55 rounds of Winchester 60 gr. Silvertip HP without a single malfunction of any kind. The gun performed flawlessly! Time will tell if this reliability trend continues, but it's a heck of a start. I would also like to point out that I fired almost all of the Silvertips from a fully loaded 7 round magazine to insure proper feeding from top to bottom. With an eighth bullet in the chamber via the tip-up barrel, you have the option of shooting the first round double action without having to rack the slide, or you can thumb-cock the hammer for all single action fire. The small slide pulled back easily with the help of about 13 grooves at the rear. The safety is frame mounted and easily manipulated with the thumb.

So what about accuracy? I was told by my dealer not to expect too much from this little gun. It has a very short barrel and small, all matte sights - notch in the rear and a blade up front with no dots to line up. No problem, the piece is meant for close range work where aiming isn't likely anyway. Now that I had my excuses lined up, I was ready to shoot. I used a 25 yard slow-fire pistol target with a 9.5" outer ring, taped to the heart area of a torso size cardboard silhouette. (Before I reveal the results of my shooting, let me stress that I am no Annie Oakley. I am normally a fair shot on a very good day.) At 7 yards and 1 shot/second deliberate aiming, my worst groups were always within about a 5" area. My best group to this point at 7 yards was 8 shots in 1.5" with the Silvertips. Most of the groups were low/left of center, but within the 6 ring. I moved the target out to 50 feet to see if I could qualify at that range with this little gun. I put 5 out of 7 in a 2.5" group with two flyers, the farthest being 7" from the group.

Okay, I took a moment to regain consciousness and decided to try some "real-life" drills. At ranges varying from 7 to 15 feet I "point-shot" rapid fire two to the body (vital area) one to the head successfully 5 out of 7 times. Once I nipped the left ear, and once I missed the head by about 2", again to the right of the left ear.

My hour was about up, and my target was full of tape, so I decided to take seven last shots at the head from 25'. I keyholed 4 out of 7 in a 1.25" group, and left the range more than satisfied.

Just a couple final comments: The two types of ammo I used both performed comparably, the only clear difference being the appearance of the hole it left in the paper. I expect more manufacturers to come out with a .32 round soon. I hear Hornady and Cor-Bon are ready to go with competition for Winchester. It will be tough to beat the performance of the silvertips though.

Although I wore hearing protection, it was obvious that the blast was considerably more than a .22, I would estimate it to be comparable to a light .38 round. Recoil was minimal, and made follow up shots fast and easy. (Probably a major contributing factor to my accuracy improvement, considering my other two handguns are a .357 snubbie and a .45)

Only two minor complaints: My double action first shots tended to end up about 6" below point of aim. The double action trigger pull seemed a little heavy, but I usually do pull down in double action anyway. Also in double action shots, the bottom of the trigger crowds my finger a bit, but in single action the trigger is perfect. Secondly, after 105 shots, my grips are a little loose, but I think I'll overlook that and keep the gun - real close.

I'm looking forward to hearing the reviews of other Tomcat owners as they receive this fine little Beretta.


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