Thursday, March 29, 2007

INFORMATIONAL LINKS YOU NEED TO SEE

WELCOME TO THE NO BS ZONE OF TEDDY JACOBSON
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NEW FEDERAL EXPANDING FULL METAL JACKET - LATEST TECHNOLOGY IN BULLET DESIGN.

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ADDED COMMENT 4-4-07

Before you buy any after market guide rod for your semi auto pistol always ask and make sure it has been heat treated to a Rockwell hardness of approx. 50 on the "C" scale. If it has not been heat treated I would not buy it. I have seen too many of these soft after market guide rod heads get chewed up in no time.

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ADDED 4-5-07

Title: Re: Seecamp or Guardian?
Post by Larry Seecamp on Nov 28th, 2005, 10:22pm

I will say with 100% certainty our American made Killeen magazines are vastly superior in quality to the Italian made NAA magazines.

I don't think anyone who wasn't a complete idiot looking at both magazines would pick the NAA magazine as being the superior magazine.

The quality of the pistols might be arguable. The quality of the magazines is not.



That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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TO SEE KELTEC VS. GUARDIAN COMPARISON CHART GO TO http://actionsbyt.blogspot.com/2007/03/basic-comparisson-chart-keltec-vs.html
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MUST SEE VIDEOS / added 4-1-07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpauX35gwYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzQFyhFNUtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_8xqNvEcH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOwvzGy0ZDA&mode=related&search=

DAVID STAHR WRESTLING MATCH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dasqEPV_Ao

IN A WORLD OF 6 BILLION PEOPLE THERE ARE APPROX. 12 MILLION JEWS, LISTEN TO THIS HATRED FROM A MUSLIM CLERIC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7_LfghKTrk

SEN. McCAIN IN BAGDAD in NEVERLAND... Must see video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6kzCR07PQ

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From www.survivalblog.com

Letter Re: Pros and Cons of Springfield Armory XD Pistols

Hi Jim,
I am grateful for your suggestion of the [Springfield Armory] XD in 45 ACP. I hadn't heard of it before and the price is appealing. Could you take a few minutes to address the "cons" listed at Wikipedia? That would be much appreciated! - Eric M.

JWR Replies: As you will see in the following paragraphs, I'm now having serious second thoughts about suggesting the XD pistols for a survival battery. The following are the XD "Cons" mentioned in Wikipedia (in orange text). My comments are in-line:

* Though some parts can be purchased through aftermarket suppliers, Springfield Armory refuses to sell some individual XD parts. Springfield Armory's position seems to be that with a lifetime warranty that includes repair work, parts sales are not necessary. This is a major stumbling block for shooters who are involved in competitive pistol activities, because they are unable to keep a small stock of parts on hand for emergencies. People who carry their pistol every day (and thus are unable to ship their gun off for a week while it's being repaired) have also complained about the policy.

That is a huge issue, and one that would prevent me from buying one of these pistols until parts do become available. I just consulted with master pistol gunsmith Teddy Jacobsen. When I asked him about obtaining spare parts for XDs, this was his reply:

"Hi Jim,
Sad to say I can not [get parts for XD pistols.] This is not the kind of gun to buy because the factory will ask you to send the gun to them for repair. That alone cost one hundred dollars FedEx over night, round trip.

They will not sell anyone critical parts.
I had a man call me who broke his trigger bar and SA would not sell him one. He was going to take it to a local welding shop and have it welded up so he could sell it.

Its a nightmare trying to replace the pressed-in extractor. I called a plater that I know very well and asked him how he gets the extractor out in order to plate the slide. He told me he can not get it out and he plates the slide with the extractor in place.

I wish I had a better solution but for a survival weapon the Glock is the way to go. I just did some work for special ops in "The Big Sandbox" and one was a Glock and the other an HK. You can buy any part for a Glock an change the extractor in 30 seconds."

* Those who have tried installing aftermarket or custom sights on XD's have reported that removing the existing sights can be an extremely difficult process, often requiring the services of a gunsmith.

I'd recommend having Trijicon do that work. To do that you mail just your slide to Tooltech Gunsight. (That is Trijicon's custom installation shop.)

* Pre-2006 versions of the XD were protected with a metal treatment called Burinal™. Some who own pistols with the Burinal™ treatment have reported significant rust problems - especially those who carry the XD against their skin. Fortunately, current versions of the XD are being manufactured the Melonite™ brand of Carbonitriding, which is the same process as the Tenifer™ coating used on Glocks.

That is no longer much of an issue. No new XD pistols will be delivered with the old finish, and 80% of these guns hitting the secondary market have the new finish. The ones that have the old finish often sell at a discount. (That, BTW, is a good bargaining strategy.) If you do buy one with the discontinued porous Burinal finish, you can send it off to Arizona Response Systems, The Robar Company, or Century Gun Works for coating in an exotic, rust-resistant finish.

However, in my opinion the spare parts issue is a "show stopper" for XD purchases. Unless or until parts become readily available, then I'd recommend not buying an XD and instead buying a HK USP or a Glock Model 21. If you get a Glock, you can have its grips re-contoured (or "reduced") by gunsmiths like Mark Graham at Arizona Response Systems.

BTW, I would appreciate first-hand comments from SurvivalBlog on the HK USP and other polymer frame high capacity .45s. There are now a lot of makers offering them, including the S&W 99, and the Taurus 24/7. Steyr also plans to produce a polymer frame .45, but it will use a single column magazine. Perhaps even the "also ran" Ruger's 8 round P97 bears mentioning.

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INFORMATIONAL LINKS:

www.actionsbyt.com

www.commentsbyt.blogspot.com

www.truthaboutparts.blogspot.com

www.tacticalknives.blogspot.com

www.actionsbyt.typepad.com

www.actionsbyt.wordpress.com

www.tjofsugarland.blogspot.com


www.nicindustries.com

http://www.spw-duf.info/links.html#guns

www.hipowersandhandguns.com


www.mouseguns.com

http://www.sequiam.com/products/

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/index1.html

http://www.shootersolutions.com/teddyjacobson.html

www.crimsontrace.com

http://www.gunsmithforum.com/


www.militec-1.com

http://www.magpul.com/

www.ismi-gunsprings.com

www.wolffgunsprings.com


www.trippresearch.com

www.cdnninvestments.com

www.survivalblog.com

www.lightningarms.com

www.brownells.com

www.ammoman.com

www.mscdirect.com

http://www.midwayusa.com/

www.coldsteel.com


www.davidstahr.com

www.wowtexas.com


www.jtf.org

http://gogumogog.com/


www.kolisrael.com


www.rabbiyess.com

http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com/

www.thetrumpet.com

www.worldnetdaily.com

www.michaelsavage.com

http://www.secretarmies.com/links.html


www.staceydean.org

www.ufowatchdog.com

www.whatreallyhappened.com


I WILL BE ADDING MORE LINKS DAILY TO HELP YOU...

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AMMO PRICE LIST

FOR YOUR INFORMATION - THIS IS IMPORTANT

Updated Friday, March 30, 2007




Hornady 55 GR V-MAX

©2006 Hornady Manufacturing, Inc.





NOTE:

Inclusion on this price list is not an endorsement by AR15.com.






UPDATES

MARCH, 2007
Ammunition To Go XM193 up $15/1000 to $374.95 + shipping. (3/27)
Ammoman M855 (Win Q3269) up $66.86/1000 to $399.00 delivered. (3/22)
Collector Rifle XM193 up $9.90/1000 to $309.90 + shipping. (3/22)
Collector Rifle XM855 up $20/1000 to $299.90 + shipping. (3/22)
Outdoor Marksman XM193 up $10/100 to $309.50 + shipping. (3/21)
Outdoor Marksman M193 (Serbia) up $10/100 to $298.50 + shipping. (3/21)
Natchez XM855PD up $89.95/1000 to $299.95 + shipping. (3/16)
Widener's XM855PD up $11/1000 to $300.00 + shipping. (3/8)
Widener's XM193 up $20/1000 to $295.00 + shipping. (3/7)
Outdoor Marksman XM193 up $9.50/1000 to $299.50 + shipping. (3/6)
Ammoman XM856 orange-tip tracer up $81/1000 to $450.00 delivered. (3/4)
Ammoman M193 (Prvi Partizan) up $60/1000 to $299.00 delivered. (3/4)


Archive from July 1, 2004
Ammo Price Trends - Historical Chart - 7/1/2004-3/21/2007 - by Paje.



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Fiocchi (USA) 55gr FMJ, 50/box - $275/1000 + shipping. AIM Surplus
Fiocchi (Italy) 55gr FMJ, bulk in ammo can - $259.00/1000 + shipping. Collector Rifle
XM856 - Orange Tip, Tracer, Lake City - $450/1000 delivered. Ammoman
Canned Heat - $240/1000 + shipping. Georgia Arms



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.223 / 5.56 AMMO PRICES


XM193 Federal (Lake City) 5.56mm FMJ BT, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

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Ammoman            $339.00    $00.00    $339.00    OUT OF STOCK       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    359.95     17.90     377.85                       Ammunition To Go

Cheaper Than Dirt   398.50     18.59     417.09    OUT OF STOCK       Cheaper Than Dirt

Collector Rifle     309.90     17.20     327.10                       Collector Rifle

Natchez             299.50     20.72     320.22    OUT OF STOCK       Natchez

Outdoor Marksman    309.50     20.41     329.91    OUT OF STOCK       Outdoor Marksman

Sportsman's Guide   299.97     16.99     316.96    OUT OF STOCK       Sportsman's Guide

Widener's           295.00     16.25     311.25    OUT OF STOCK       Widener's



M193 Prvi Partizan (Serbia) 5.56mm FMJ, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

----------------   -------    ------    -------    ----------------   --------------

AIM Surplus        $275.00    $13.00    $288.00    OUT OF STOCK       AIM Surplus

Ammoman             299.00    $00.00     299.00    OUT OF STOCK       Ammoman

Armory              229.99     17.00     246.99    OUT OF STOCK       Armory

Outdoor Marksman    298.50     21.40     319.90                       Outdoor Marksman

Sportsman's Guide   319.97     17.99     327.96    OUT OF STOCK       Sportsman's Guide 



Q3131 Winchester (USA) 5.56mm FMJ, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

----------------   -------    ------    -------    ----------------   --------------

Ammoman            $219.00    $00.00    $219.00    OUT OF STOCK       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    359.95     17.90     377.85                       Ammunition To Go

Armory              289.99     17.00     306.99    OUT OF STOCK       Armory

Bass Pro            299.50     13.50     313.00    OUT OF STOCK       Bass Pro

Natchez             244.50     21.40     265.90    OUT OF STOCK       Natchez 

Outdoor Marksman    279.50     22.55     302.05    OUT OF STOCK       Outdoor Marksman

Widener's           254.00     14.25     268.25    OUT OF STOCK       Widener's



M855 5.56mm FMJ Steel Core, 62gr, varied packaging

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

----------------   -------    ------    -------    ----------------   --------------

AIM Surplus        $170.00    $13.00    $183.00    OUT OF STOCK       AIM Surplus

Ammoman             399.00     00.00     399.00                       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    416.60     17.90     434.50    $349.95/840        Ammunition To Go 

Sportsman's Guide   289.97     16.99     306.96    OUT OF STOCK       Sportsman's Guide



XM855PD ATK (Lake City), 5.56mm FMJ Steel Core, Green Tip, 62gr, loose/bulk packed

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

----------------   -------    ------    -------    ----------------   --------------

Ammoman             299.00     00.00     299.00    OUT OF STOCK       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    225.00     17.90     242.90    OUT OF STOCK       Ammunition To Go

Collector Rifle     299.00     17.20     316.20                       Collector Rifle

Natchez             299.95     21.81     321.76    OUT OF STOCK       Natchez

Outdoor Marksman    189.95     21.40     211.35    OUT OF STOCK       Outdoor Marksman

Widener's           300.00     14.25     314.25    OUT OF STOCK       Widener's



AE223 Federal American Eagle .223 FMJ BT, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

----------------   -------    ------    -------    ----------------   --------------

Ammoman            $229.00    $00.00    $229.00    OUT OF STOCK       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    339.95     17.90     357.85                       Ammunition To Go

Cheaper Than Dirt   348.00     17.59     365.59    OUT OF STOCK       Cheaper Than Dirt

Natchez             262.50     21.88     284.38    OUT OF STOCK       Natchez

Outdoor Marksman    329.50     15.81     345.31                       Outdoor Marksman

Sportsman's Guide   273.50     16.99     290.49    OUT OF STOCK       Sportsman's Guide

Widener's           298.00     22.25     320.25    OUT OF STOCK       Widener's



WOLF (Russia) .223 FMJ, Copper Jacket, Steel Case, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

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AIM Surplus        $159.90    $13.00    $172.90    OUT OF STOCK       AIM Surplus

Ammoman             199.00     00.00     199.00                       Ammoman

Ammunition To Go    164.95     16.90     181.85    OUT OF STOCK       Ammunition To Go

Armory              155.98     17.00     172.98    OUT OF STOCK       Armory

Cabela's            174.99     17.75     192.74    OUT OF STOCK       Cabelas

Centerfire Systems  144.16     18.95     163.11    OUT OF STOCK       Centerfire Systems

Cheaper Than Dirt   201.00     15.59     216.59    OUT OF STOCK       Cheaper Than Dirt

Collector Rifle     164.95     17.20     182.15                       Collector Rifle

Outdoor Marksman    159.50     16.12     175.62    OUT OF STOCK       Outdoor Marksman

Sportsman's Guide   149.97     15.99     165.96    OUT OF STOCK       Sportsman's Guide

Widener's           157.00     16.25     173.25    OUT OF STOCK       Widener's



BLACK HILLS Blue Box, Remanufactured, .223 FMJ, 55gr

DEALER                 NET  SHIPPING      TOTAL    NOTES              WEB SITE

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Cabela's           $279.96    $19.75    $299.71    OUT OF STOCK       Cabelas

Fulton Armory       264.95     00.00     264.95    OUT OF STOCK       Fulton Armory

Kiser Munitions     259.00     00.00     259.00    OUT OF STOCK       jospeh@kiser.com

Northwest Loading   279.98     26.65     306.63    OUT OF STOCK       Northwest Loading Supply
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Room_11_judge
Message Board Member
Username: Room_11_judge

Post Number: 49
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 07:29 am:

Nchornet,

I feel your pain. I purchased a NAA380 three years ago. That pistol was nothing but problems out of the box.

Some posters state "send it back, they have a lifetime warranty and great customer service"

Well that's not the point! The pistol should be reliable, right out of the box.

Instead, I got rid of that junk and purchased a S&W 38+P, model 637 W/ Crimson trace grips for CCW.

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Sassi
Message Board Member
Username: Sassi

Post Number: 62
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:23 am:

CJ if anyone hogs this forum, and toots his horn it is YOU. Just look at the million posts here with your name on it. Some of them are good and some well...lets say just not worth the time to read. Teddy has his right to express himself just like the rest of us. If you do not like it then just do not read it. That is what I was once told about some stuff on another forum, and that is what I do with a lot of your stuff. Why are YOU trying to stir up trouble anyways?? Chill out man!! Life is still good for us old folks.
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Kranzsr
Message Board Member
Username: Kranzsr

Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 04:38 pm:

I was wondering has anyone had their trigger break on their guardian? I have had two break in under 250 rounds. At 190 the whole tab above the
pivot broke off. The replacement trigger broke within 50 rounds, but only the catch for the drawbar broke off.

I like this little pistol, but after the dream I had about the trigger breaking again and then taking one to the forehead from the BG, I'm not
sure if I should keep it.

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Teddy

Wednesday, March 28, 2007

BASIC COMPARISSON CHART - KELTEC VS. GUARDIAN


PHOTO OF SPRING IS "GUARDIAN" DRAWBAR SPRING.




WELCOME TO THE NO BS ZONE OF TEDDY JACOBSON - IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH YOU HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
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DISCLAIMER: EVERYTHING WRITTEN IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AS A TRIGGER SPECIALIST. MY ACTION WORK IS SECOND TO NONE.


COMPARE NOW BEFORE YOU BUY. DO NOT BUY
ODD CALIBERS




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DISCLAIMER: ALL OPINIONS STATED ON ALL

MY COMMENTARIES INCLUDING THIS ONE ARE

MY OWN OPINION AND OBSERVATIONS, THIS

IS ALL BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AS A TRIGGER

SPECIALIST...
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EVERYTHING STATED IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY.




I HAVE DECIDED TO WRITE MY OWN COMPARISON CHART IN REFERENCE TO BUYING A KELTEC P32 PISTOL (2nd Generation) VS. A NORTH AMERICAN ARMS GUARDIAN IN 32 ACP. BOTH PISTOLS COMPARED ARE IN 32 acp CALIBER.

THESE OPINIONS AND COMMENTS ARE MY PERSONAL VIEWPOINT ONLY BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE. I DO BELIEVE THAT NAA MINI REVOLVERS ARE EXCELLENT BUT THIS CHART IS COMPARING SMALL SEMI AUTO PISTOLS ONLY. THIS CHART WILL HAVE NO REFLECTION ON NAA REVOLVERS.

I CAN NOT RECOMMEND THEIR 17 CALIBER REVOLVERS.

I DO RECOMMEND THEIR 22 LONG RIFLE AND 22 MAGNUM REVOLVERS.


ANYTHING I RATE USING A NUMBER IS THE FOLLOWING - ON A SCALE OF ONE TO TEN, ONE IS VERY POOR AND TEN IS VERY GOOD.
IF YOU CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH OF REALITY PLEASE LEAVE NOW.
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NAA GUARDIAN BREECH FACE & EXTRACTOR PROBLEM


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NAA GUARDIAN SHALLOW RIFLING & VERY POOR CROWN


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NAA GUARDIAN POOR FACTORY STIPPLING AFTER BEAD BLASTING





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TYPE OF ACTION

KELTEC - SEMI AUTO

GUARDIAN - SEMI AUTO

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FRAME MATERIAL - (Corrected 3-14-07)

KELTEC - FRAME IS MADE OUT OF HARD ANODIZED 7071 ALUMINUM - PARTS ARE MOUNTED INSIDE FRAME.

GUARDIAN - STAINLESS STEEL

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TYPE OF ACTION

KELTEC - FIRES FROM A LOCKED BREECH

GUARDIAN - DIRECT BLOW BACK DESIGN

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SPRINGS

KELTEC - CHROME SILICON

GUARDIAN - MUSIC WIRE

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ESTIMATED TRIGGER PULL AS NEW

KELTEC - MY SCALE READS 5 LBS. DOUBLE ACTION ONLY

GUARDIAN - MY SCALE READS BETWEEN 11 TO 12 LBS. DOUBLE ACTION ONLY

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SIGHTS

KELTEC - POOR

GUARDIAN - POOR

I THINK THAT LARRY SEECAMP IS CORRECT WITH HIS 32 ACP PISTOL AND HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGHTS.

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FEED RAMP

KELTEC - VERY GOOD FEED RAMP AND HAS PROPER THROATING.

GUARDIAN - POOR - note of caution that if you take too much metal off this
feed ramp you will put a hole in it because the recoil
spring tunnel is directly below the feed ramp.

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EJECTOR

KELTEC - VERY GOOD EJECTOR

GUARDIAN - THERE IS NO EJECTOR

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EXTRACTOR

KELTEC - VERY GOOD EXTRACTOR

GUARDIAN - WORTHLESS EXTRACTOR - I RATE THIS # 1

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GUIDE ROD

KELTEC - FULL LENGTH POLYMER GUIDE ROD

GUARDIAN - VERY SHORT GUIDE ROD ABOUT 1 INCH LONG - METAL

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RECOIL SPRING

KELTEC - DUAL SPRINGS - CHROME SILICON

GUARDIAN - DUAL SPRINGS - MUSIC WIRE

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FIRING PIN

KELTEC - WELL MADE FIRING PIN

GUARDIAN - SOFT FIRING PIN - MUSHROOMS AT REAR

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"E" RINGS

KELTEC - NONE THAT I COULD SEE UPON INSPECTION

GUARDIAN - INFERIOR "E" RING ON HAMMER PIN - SUGGESTED THE USE OF
SUPERIOR "
SNAP RINGS" AND NAA REFUSED. I EVEN SENT THEM
WEBSITES OF WHERE TO BUY THEM.

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BREECH FACE

KELTEC - VERY WELL CUT

GUARDIAN - VERY POOR DESIGN WITH RADIUS OPPOSITE SIDE OF
EXTRACTOR.

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FIELD STRIPPING

KELTEC - HARD TO GET SLIDE STOP PIN OUT - VERY SECURE

GUARDIAN - HAS PUSH BUTTON LEVER THAT OFTEN HAS BROKEN. EASY TO
FIELD STRIP.

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BARREL

KELTEC - REMOVABLE BARREL

GUARDIAN - BARREL AND FRAME ARE ONE PIECE CASTING

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RIFLING OF BARREL

KELTEC - HAS DECENT RIFLING I RATE AT #7

GUARDIAN - POOR SHALLOW RIFLING. I RATE AT # 2

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CROWN AT MUZZLE

KELTEC - DECENT CROWN FOR A GUN OF THIS TYPE

GUARDIAN - POOR AT BEST

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COMPANY RELIABILITY

KELTEC - GOOD

GUARDIAN - GOOD

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GRIPS (made correction 3-14-07)

KELTEC - GRIPS ARE POLYMER

GUARDIAN - CHEAP PLASTIC GRIPS, REFUSED TO USE MICARTA AT MY
SUGGESTION. I EVEN SENT THEM WEBSITES OF WHERE TO BUY
THIS VERY THIN MICARTA.

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MATERIAL OF SLIDE

KELTEC - MOST ARE BLUED STEEL, OTHER FINISHES ARE AVAILABLE

GUARDIAN - STAINLESS STEEL

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APPROX. WHOLESALE PRICE

KELTEC - $200.00

GUARDIAN - $300.00

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AVAILABILITY

KELTEC - VERY POPULAR AND SELLING VERY FAST - VERY HARD TO FIND.

GUARDIAN - NOT IN CURRENT PRODUCTION - HAD TO CHANGE CASTING
VENDORS - SHOULD BE BACK INTO PRODUCTION SOON.

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CAPACITY - I AM GOING BY MEMORY

KELTEC - 7 PLUS 1

GUARDIAN - 6 PLUS 1

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ACCURACY

KELTEC - I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AS I CONSIDER All SMALL
SEMI AUTOS THIS SIZE TO BE USED FOR UNDER 5 FEET MAX.

GUARDIAN - I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THIS FACTOR AS I CONSIDER
THIS PISTOL GOOD UP TO 5 FEET.

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TRIGGER BAR SPRING

KELTEC - I DO NOT KNOW

GUARDIAN - I HAVE SEEN THE DRAWBAR PLUNGER SPRING BREAK OFTEN

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LIFE OF PISTOL

KELTEC - 6000 ROUNDS

GUARDIAN - I DO NOT KNOW

TOMCAT - 3000 ROUNDS

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Room_11_judge
Message Board Member
Username: Room_11_judge

Post Number: 47
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 01:49 pm:

I'd rather carry a bat. To many bad experiences with NAA.
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Cjw
Message Board Member
Username: Cjw

Post Number: 1718
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:27 pm:

Room_11_Judge - Have you tried the NAA Mini revolvers or the larger Black Widows? I've come to like and trust both.

But, I also like my 38 SP Lady Smith revolver that I carry with +P 125 grain JHP Lawman ammo in it. Same with my 9mm pistols, loaded with +P+ ammo, my 40 S&W pistols and 357 Magnum revolvers. I like 'em all.

I see my NAA revolvers as, mostly, back up guns.

CJ
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Nasty_jack
Message Board Member
Username: Nasty_jack

Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 01:20 am:

I have at last count about a dozen and a half handguns . . . for "defense" . . . No junk. It's all Ruger, Springfield, Smith, NAA stuff. I have a Makarov and a CZ, but they're more like "military" than defense handguns.

Nonetheless . . .

Any time I've ever had a "jam" or a "misfire" it was because of the AMMO and not the gun. I've reloaded ammo and had it fail to feed, fail to fire.

But factory ammo . . . Zero Defects. Clean gun, in good shape, ready to rock . . . They work. Never had one fail. Not with decent ammo.

If you're having reliability issues, I'm betting it's ammo, not the gun.

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Phydeaux88
Message Board Member
Username: Phydeaux88

Post Number: 601
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:12 am:

Don't pay any attention to Room-11.
He only comes here to rag on NAA particularly Guardians.
Ignore him and he will go away.
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Cjw
Message Board Member
Username: Cjw

Post Number: 1760
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 03:06 pm:

The question is: Which NAA Handgun Do You Trust Most?

CJ

PS - As to credibility, I've owned, shot and tested:
1) 77 handguns, 8 of them made by NAA
2) 79 rifles
3) 21 shotguns
4) 177 Total, but I'm sure others have owned more.

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Monday, March 26, 2007

MOUSE GUNS

MOUSE GUNS

I have always thought that NAA was a very reliable factory and still do but they have not corrected obvious problems that they knew about for years. I have had many discussions with them about their guardian but they never listened to pure common sense, they always followed their marketing man. Now they are paying the price as they are not only out of production but their flaws are beyond my fixing them. Sure I can get a better trigger pull on every Guardian I take in but there is no way I can prevent the Drawbar Spring from breaking because they would not spend a couple of dollars per each unit and buy superior chrome silicon springs. There are no after market parts for this pistol and I remain at the mercy of a finished product.

YOU CAN NOT take these mouse guns to a range and expect good groups at 30 feet are out of their mind and many people in america should not even own a gun, their expectations of any mouse gun is insane because with barely two inches of shallow rifling and a very poor crown there is no way you can get accuracy.
And to further complicate matters some of these people shoot hundreds of cheap rounds per week in a gun that is not meant for this type of torture.

ANY SEMI AUTO PISTOL IS AT THE MERCY OF QUALITY AMMUNITION AND IF YOU LIMP WRIST THE GUN IT WILL JAM.

I have never taken in a KELTEC pistol to work on as I can not improve it enough to justify taking a persons money, I am too honest for that.

I have taken in countless "GUARDIANS" of all calibers and I am able to reduce an 11 lb. double action trigger down to about 8 lbs without having created misfires. I have owned more mouse guns in my lifetime than most people but they are for a last ditch survival weapon, "IT IS WHAT IT IS"... These people that have bought mouse guns can not except the fact that they are to be carried and seldom fired.

THE VERY BEST SMALL MINI HANDGUNS ARE STILL THE GLOCKS. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT I AM SAYING - "TOUGH" - BECAUSE ITS TRUE.

OF COURSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NAA MAKE A SUPERIOR WEAPON, BUT IN MY MIND AND IN MY OPINION ITS DOUBTFUL BECAUSE OF THE LEADERSHIP THAT ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS WITH MARGIN OF PROFIT AS A FIRST PRIORITY. THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THESE FLAWS FOR YEARS. THE OWNER OF NAA LIVES IN PA. AND THE FACTORY IS IN UTAH. HE RELIES ON PEOPLE THAT JUST DO NOT GET IT IN MY OPINION. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NAA REVOLVER DEPT.



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CHROME SILICON SPRINGS

WHAT IS YOUR LIFE WORTH ??


Differences In Spring Rate Set Between Different Types of Spring Materials
By Mike Watkins

The Gang here at Brownells were recently discussing spring set on new magazines springs and 1911 Colt type pistols. I decided to do a comparison test on AR-15 20 round magazines springs and 1911 recoil springs.

The test was done to compare Chrome Silicon springs, Stainless Steel springs, and Music Wire springs. This would be a Gunsmith test only, since we don’t have a full laboratory with precision testing equipment. The test was to measure the new length of each magazine spring, and then load up the mag with dummy rounds to full capacity. The final step was to check the length of the springs after three days and ten days to see how much shorter the springs were, or how much set the springs took.

On the recoil springs for the 1911, I measured the new length of a Chrome Silicon spring and a Music Wire spring. Then I cycled the slide on the gun fifty times to compress the spring in its travel as it would cycle in firing the gun. I then measured each spring to see how much set it took.

There are different opinions on what spring material is best. Chrome Silicon springs are said to have less set initially and during their life cycle and thus give greater life.

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DEFINED =
Chrome Silicon (wire) An alloy of steel, stronger than Oil Tempered wire.

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"MICARTA" CAN BE USED FOR SUPERIOR GRIPS THAT ARE ULTRA THIN... THIS IS THE BEST MATERIAL FOR NICE GRIPS THAT WILL NOT CRACK AND YOU CAN RETAIN ITS THICKNESS TO A MINIMUM. IT COMES AVAILABLE IN COLORS LIKE BLACK, MAROON, WHITE, GREEN...MOST QUALITY KNIFE SUPPLY HOUSES CARRY THIS MATERIAL FOR SUPERIOR KNIFE HANDLES.

MICARTA DEFINED = A composite of linen or paper fabric in a thermosetting plastic, used in electrical and decorative areas, Micarta was developed by Westinghouse at least as early as 1910 using phenolic resins invented by Dr. Leo Baekeland. These resins were used to impregnate paper and cotton fabric which were cured under pressure and high temperature to produce laminates. In later years this manufacturing method included the use of fiberglass fabric, other resin types were also used. Today it is also used on knife handles.

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Actions, blowback vs. locked breech

Self-loading automatic pistols can be divided into "blowback" and "locked breech" categories according to their principle of operation. This classification roughly divides the operation into those specifically suitable for small-caliber versus large-caliber semi-automatic pistols.

In blowback semi-automatic pistols, typically .380 caliber (sometimes known as 9 mm Kurz, i.e., 9mm Short) or smaller, the barrel is fixed to the frame and the slide or bolt, in its foremost position, is held against the barrel only by the force of the recoil spring. The slide starts to move backwards immediately upon the gun's being fired, as there is no locking action to hold the breechblock and slide locked with the barrel, even temporarily. At the appropriate point in the rearward motion, extraction and ejection of the fired brass of the cartridge are accomplished, and the used brass is typically ejected to the right of the pistol. During the motion rearwards, the striker, hammer, or firing pin may be re-cocked. A spring, called a recoil spring, slows the movement of the slide as it is compressed. When the slide reaches the rear of its travel, the recoil spring is fully compressed (if not, the pistol may suffer a failure, called a "jam"). The slide begins to move forward under the force of the spring, stripping a new cartridge from the magazine and pushing the new cartridge into the chamber. Upon the slide's return to its fully forward position, the pistol is ready once more to be fired by squeezing the trigger. The mass of the slide must be sufficient to hold the breech closed until the bullet exits the barrel, and the remaining pressure drops to a safe level. A cartridge with too high a pressure, or a slide with too little mass can cause the cartridge case to extract too early, causing a case rupture.

In contrast, in a locked-breech design (typically .32 caliber or larger) the barrel is temporarily locked to the slide. The most common locked-breech type is the short-recoil design. In a short-recoil pistol, the slide and barrel recoil together a short distance while locked together, until the cartridge-firing chamber pressure has dropped to a safe level. After sufficient travel to allow the bullet to exit and the pressure to drop, the barrel then unlocks from the slide, and the barrel's rearward motion is stopped. The ejection and loading of the new cartridge are similar to that in a blowback pistol. After the slide seats the new round into the chamber, the barrel begins to move forward with the slide, locking into place, at which point the cycle is complete.

Some cartridges, such as the .44 Magnum, are so powerful that the spring required to slow the recoiling barrel and slide becomes very difficult to compress by hand, making it very difficult for most people to load the pistol. Magnum cartridges are often found chambered in pistols that use a gas-operated design, more commonly found in a rifle. One example of a gas-operated pistol is the Desert Eagle.

Blowback pistols are simpler to make and thus cheaper, but the blowback mechanism can practically be used only with low-pressure cartridges of relatively low power, typically .380 ACP caliber or smaller. With caliber 9 x 19 mm or larger, the slide mass starts to become excessive, and therefore few blowback handguns in such calibers exist; the primary exceptions are simple, inexpensive guns such as those made by Hi-Point Firearms, and semi-automatic versions of blowback submachine guns.

In contrast, locked-breech mechanisms are used for some .32, .380 pistols; most 9 mm pistols; and nearly all pistols of .40, .45, and larger calibers. This keeps the mass of the slide lower, and the overall size of the pistol more manageable.

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RIFLING DEFINED = An arrangement of helical grooves machined into a barrel to impart a spin onto a projectile passing through the bore. The spin stabilizes the projectile, providing better range and accuracy. Rifling may be cut into a barrel through the use of various cutting tools or broaches, may be pressed into the barrel using a button tool to displace metal, or may be formed by hammer forging the barrel around a mandrel that contains a reverse image of the final rifling pattern. If you have shallow or non existing rifling in the bore
you can not achieve any degree of accuracy. ITS

IMPOSSIBLE.

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KELTEC P-32 Pistol


100 - BARREL
110 - ASSEMBLY PIN
152 - SLIDE
170 - FIRING PIN
172 - FIRING PIN SPRING
174 - FIRING PIN SCREW
180 - EXTRACTOR
182 - EXTRACTOR SPRING
184 - EXTRACTOR PIN
190 - RECOIL SPRING-INSIDE
191 - RECOIL SPRING-OUTSIDE
194 - RECOIL SPRING CATCH
195 - RECOIL SPRING GUIDE
202 - FRAME PIN(2)
205 - MAGAZINE CATCH
208 - MAG.CATCH SPRING
210 - FRAME*
252 - TRIGGER
253 - TRIGGER PIN
254 - TRIGGER AXIS
256 - TRIGGER SPRING
260 - TRIGGER BAR
270 - HAMMER BLOCK AXIS
271 - HAMMER
272 - HAMMER BLOCK
273 - HAMMER BLOCK SPRING
274 - HAMMER SPRING PIN
275 - HAMMER SPRING
276 - HAMMER PIN
278 - HAMMER AXIS
279 - HAMMER SPRING CATCH
280 - SLIDE STOP/EJECTOR
284 - SLIDE STOP SPRING
300 - GRIP
310 - MAGAZINE

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INTRODUCTION

The P-32 is a semi-automatic, locked breech pistol, chambered for the .32 Auto cartridge.

The firing mechanism is double action only. The magazine has a 7 round capacity. The KEL-TEC P-32 is the lightest .32 Auto pistol ever made. Thanks to its locking dynamics and superior ergonometry, perceived recoil and practical accuracy are comparable to much larger guns.

The P-32 is mainly intended for plainclothes police officers as a secondary weapon, or for concealed carry by licensed citizens. The small grip size and light trigger pull make the P-32 ideal for female shooters.

From the very beginning of the design and development, computers have been used exclusively. All machined components are also made on modern high speed computerized equipment. Equally advanced quality control equipment and test procedures ensure a firearm with uncompromising quality in materials and workmanship.


TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Calibers : .32 AUTO
Weight unloaded lbs. : 6.6 oz. 186g
Loaded magazine : 2.8 oz. 81g
Length : 5.1" 129mm
Height : 3.5" 89mm
Width : .75" 19mm
Barrel Length : 2.7" 68mm
Sight radius : 3.8" 96mm
Muzzle Energy Max : 200 ft lbs 240J
Capacity : 7 + 1 rounds
Trigger Pull : 5lbs 23N


CONSTRUCTION

The P-32 has six main component groups: barrel, slide, firing mechanism, grip, and magazine. The barrel is made of SAE 4140 ordnance steel, heat treated to 48 HRC. The slide is also 4140 steel, and contains the firing pin and the extractor. The rectangular frame is machined from solid 7075-T6 aluminum and houses the firing mechanism.

The trigger connects via a transfer bar to the hammer. The hammer is driven by a novel free floating extension spring. The light weight firing pin transmits the energy of the hammer to ignite the primer. After firing, the hammer block holds the hammer away from the firing pin, providing a mechanical safety. The functioning of the mechanism greatly surpasses all applicable SAAMI safety standards.

The grip is made of the ultra high impact polymer Dupont ST-8018. The grip also forms the magazine well and the trigger guard. The P-32 is normally supplied with a 7 round single column steel magazine


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Pocket Pistols: Kel-Tec’s .380 And .32 ACPs Versus NAA

Kel-Tec’s $345 P3AT .380 ACP pistol fared even better than the company’s $340 .32 ACP Model P32. The new Guardian 32NAA, $450, pushes the envelope, or pocket, too far, in our view.


Top: Where’s the gun? The advantage of a pocket pistol, especially a flat gun like the Kel-Tec P32, is that it doesn’t cause a bulge in clothing. Bottom: As you can see, the gun prints about the same as a wallet.
In this test we look at semi-automatic pistols that are small enough to fit into one’s pocket and avoid detection. One such pistol is the proven Kel-Tec P32. Because that gun fared well in a previous test of pocket pistols (October 2001), we wanted to see how the parent company’s slightly larger model in .380 ACP, the Kel-Tec P3AT, fared against the .32. To round out the field, we also tested another .32, this one a pistol from Guardian North American Arms in a proprietary cartridge, the .32NAA. …



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.32 Pocket Pistol Update:
Buy the Autauga Mark II

This gun is a good pocket blaster.

In the January 1999 issue of Gun Tests, we gave you an evaluation of three .32 ACP pocket pistols made by Seecamp, Beretta, and North American Arms. Recently Autauga Arms, Inc., entered the pocket .32 pistol market with a bang, and we think the company’s 32 Mark II is a winner.

This Prattville, AL-based company offers a stainless-steel, double-action-only semiautomatic with no bells and whistles. You chamber a round and that’s it. The gun is all ready to go. Simply pull the trigger, which requires about 8 pounds of pressure, and the little gun fires each of its six-plus-one shots reliably, and with all the accuracy anyone would want. …

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I would like to know if there is anything North American is willing and
able to do to resolve the ejection problem? I really would rather have
the problem fixed, but lacking that, I would like to know if I may
return the pistol to you for a full refund?

Thank you kindly for your attention to this matter.
--
John A*******

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WHOLESALE PRICE OF NAA GUARDIANS



NA 25NAA GUARDIAN SS DAO$298.55

NA 32NAA GUARDIAN SS DAO$361.90

NA 32ACP GUARDIAN 6+1 SHOT$298.55

NA 380ACP GUARDIAN $361.90
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